Last edited by Snyd; 12-11-2011 at 16:25.
Living the urban lifestyle so I can pay my way and for my family's needs, and support my country. And you?
".. ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country" JFK
.454 loads with a 500 grain bullet. You're ignorance is showing. 400s don't stabilize well.
RCBS .458 sized to .454 or .452 (have to look at my notes) Barely fits in the cylinder but it does. But, thy jump crimp after 4 rounds. 425 to 435gr depending on the alloy.
47 yds off rest. I pack this for my berry patch gun or fishing on the creek with the wife. the puma holds 10 in the tube. Not usable in the redhawk though cuz of crimp jump but I've got another style boolit to try that has better crimpt groove. my first test it move .010 after 9 rounds. did not jamb cylinder.
A gun is like a parachute. If you need one, and donít have one, youíll probably never need one again
I think you said before, but where did you get the grips for your Redhawk? I really like the looks of those!
I had reasonable accuracy out to about 25 yards with the 400s in the .454, but on game, they didn't do anything the 360s did better. I even tested 405 grain .44 mag bullets and they performed very poorly -- not only did they not penetrate straight, they didn't fly straight either. I believe there is clearly a point of diminishing returns.
This ď460/500 is a waste because a whatever we had would kill anythingĒ argument reminds me of the ole timers when I was a kid saying 300WM was a huge waste because 30-06 will kill anything 300WM will. Itís the same thing, and that is true but itís also true that there are valuable advantages to a 300WM over a 30-06 . . . same is true with the X-frame rounds and the big gun it takes to hold them.
Same point I was trying to make about 300g XTPmags, if I can push a 300g expanding apatite to azz through a moose why do I want a heaver solid and give up that diameter AND give up the flatter trajectory. I can go heavy-n-slow like I did for years but now I can also get enough speed from a 300g expanding to make the terminal ballistics of my handgun work more like a rifle and not need to worry so much if Iím getting into the vitals because I know I am.
Bullets that tumble do not penetrate well and often don't go in a straight line and tumbling is definitely not a desirable trait.
You are making an assumption based on what? Revolver do not have the required twist rate for such long bullets. Twist rate definitely will affect penetration.
Have you ever tested those bullets in any media?
Ross Seyfried tried the 400 grainers years ago and found that on game they didn't penetrate well because they are marginally stable in air.
Whitworth tested the 405 grain bullet in the 44 mag a while back and found it to not penetrate with a 240 grain Keith. Michial458 on AR has found the same thing in riles. That is marginally stable bullet in air doesn't penetrate well in any soft solid media ( such as muscle tissue, test media etc)
A bullet can be marginally stable in air and leave round holes in a paper target yet tumble and or go off line in animal tissue and test media
First a bullet can not tumble in wood. Wood and an animal have absolutely nothing in common. I have wood, test media and animals. The fact is that a bullet in media has something in cammon with shooting an animal, but shooting wood does not and is absolutely worthless in comparison
If you are talking about shooting wood and wood only then the marginal stabilization of the over size bullet is a moot point
My post are always in relationship to shooting game and I could care less about penetration in wood in these discussions