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    Default Guides: What make a good client?

    For me a good client does the following:

    Listens - Listening to your guide is a very important factor in your success even if the guide is full of BS if he (or she) feels like he's being listen too he is more likely to have fun, and a happy guide is a good guide

    Isn't afraid to ask questions - Like most people guides like to answer questions even the dumb ones, don't worry we will only make fun of you for the dumb ones after you are gone

    Doesn't disrespect the wildereness or the resource - If you litter or something in my boat I'm gonna stop trying, if its heinous enough disrespect I might kick you out I'm sure (and sure hope) there are many other guides who feel the same way

    Doesn't expect a fish a minute - Everybody wants to catch fish but guides aren't supperhuman that should be kept in mind

    Makes an effort to be pleasant - This is a no brainer

    My favorite clients have been ones who are totally thrilled with being on the river and hopefully getting into some fish, wether its thier first grayling, 80th king or an average trout, when they enjoy catching fish just as much as me it is as special if not moreso than when I catch the fish myself

    Also tipping after every day and not at the end of the trip helps I'd like to hear imput from other guides, having bad clients really gets you down, but having good ones is one of the most rewarding things in fishing
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    Depends on the guide. I am a terrible client sometimes because I can't stand being told what to do by a guide, especially when I'm a better fisherman.
    I especially hate it when I am fishing by my self or with friends and a guide rows up and tries to show off to his clients by telling me how to fish. Or crowd me. That's a good time to accidentally cast over his clients' lines, pull them in and cut them by accident. Not that I would ever do something like that...
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    Quote Originally Posted by wildog View Post
    I especially hate it when I am fishing by my self or with friends and a guide rows up and tries to show off to his clients by telling me how to fish. Or crowd me. That's a good time to accidentally cast over his clients' lines, pull them in and cut them by accident. Not that I would ever do something like that...
    How does this have anything to do with the question asked?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AkKings View Post
    How does this have anything to do with the question asked?
    Sort of, but good point. Let me try it again, I'm a terrible client though.
    1. Respect the guide
    2. Respect other fishermen
    3. Listen to the guide
    4. Tip him/her appropriately
    5. Show up on time
    6. Come prepared
    7. Take a shower/shave
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    You guys pretty much covered it

    1) Respectful of me
    2) Respectful of others
    3) Respectful of the environment(and yes I have left clients standing on the bank for this one, I was notorious back in Michigan for forcefully escorting folks off the river. Got to the point that the offending person would call the police, they'd get my description, and say "so what were you doing wrong Rick only goes after folks when they're doing something they shouldn't" Of course in today's world I wouldn't recommend doing either.
    4) Have realistic expectations a guide is not a "God" he cant make fish appear out of the thin waters.
    5) Sober! Not hung over! don't give a rats azz when he shaved last.
    6) ready and willing to learn(this one goes both ways I've picked up some really cool techniques from clients)
    7) Ready to have fun
    8) Friendly
    9) On time!!!!!! you've given me a non refundable deposit more than 30 minutes late I go fishing on your dime!
    10) Above all able to follow a few simple safety rules.

    Same stuff I expect from friends, family or anyone I'm spending time with really.

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    My best clients are women because:

    #1. They listen and usually catch the bigger fish!
    #2. There not afraid to try it my way.
    #3. Happy as heck to catch a fish, even it I threw it back.
    #4. They enjoy it all, whales, sea otters, the scenery and the fishing.
    #5. Military women know worst jokes than I do.
    every year I take 3-4 all women boatloads, and their a hoot, oh yah
    There alot easier on the eye too.

    The worst client is the guy who's been Halibut fishing once and caught a 200 lb.er and will only settle for one bigger (of course he does not tell you this untell your on the way out) ;.(

    What I expect out of a guide is:
    Knowledge of the area (I fish over a 100 days a year)
    Respect
    Good equipment & tackle.
    A resonable expectation of catch, numbers and size (the odds)
    Excellent fish filletter (don't waste fillet meat for speed)
    A good story teller is a bonus.
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    I really like the above ideas! I think of it as a give and take in all of these aspects. I'm not afraid to learn from the clients. They have experiences I don't, so a client that teaches me something, be it about fishing or myself is invaluable. I try to learn every day, from every person. I really like people who are honest about what they want before we leave the dock. Whether we meet their goal(s) or not; I know I tried my best, and they usually see that I did. Good communicators/ listners adds to the fun of life!

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    What makes a good client?

    How about one that pay's in full and tips you for going above and beyond the clients expectations on the river.

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    Profishguide;

    Didn't want to mention that for fear of people taking it the wrong way but your absolutely right! Women are generally much better clients. They usually have all the qualities I listed and are allot easier to teach. I used to guide primarily for fly fishing, I'm off the water for awhile right now. Casting a fly rod properly involves allot more than just your arm, it is a whole body action. Women in general pick this side of casting up much faster, wear as men tend to just put more power in there arm stroke every time you tell them to move with the cast, exactly the opposite of what they need to be doing. Men and women just move differently . I think it maybe the same reason most men don't like to dance. Also with a group of women you have a different atmosphere on the water, all the macho competitive crap is gone. None of this mines bigger stuff, Ive seen male clients ridicule a supposed friend to the point the poor guy is really upset and his trip is ruined. With a group of ladies it tends to be a group effort and almost a party atmosphere. They will even often bring extra food and drinks much more like going to a nice picnic, instead of a gladiator event where only the best survive. Really guys some of you could really stand to lighten up allot and have some fun.

    Just one Alaskans opinion.
    Rick P

    PS When guiding a group of gals the scenery is generally allot nicer too

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    agreed guiding women is so much better than guiding men
    I choose to fly fish, not because its easy, but because its hard.

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    You guys can not be serious? ROTF...let me break out my skirt.

    I see the scientific studies have been released and all the statistical data is in.

    New Headlines for Cosmopolitian Magazine:

    9 out of 10 professional Alaskan fishing guides prefer women clients over men. "Their so much easier on the eyes" or "How Dance Dance revolution can make you a better fly fisher"

    Classic...Keep on posting. Thanks for the laugh

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    So if a tip is a measure of a client. does a good tip out way the other measures?
    Also what is a fair tip?
    Whats a good tip?

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    Jedisalmonslayer;

    No I'm not kidding and your snotty attitude toward my honest opinion demonstrates exactly the point I was making. And the average man could improve his cast by 20% or more by simply moving his whole body with his cast. The two biggest mistakes I see newbies make are overpowering the rod and standing board strait while they flail there arm around. Come on guys whats so scary about moving? Or for that matter learning something from the opposite sex?

    The NFL NHL NBA and professional baseball all require there players to take ballet to overcome this very problem!
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    [quote=op1;82617]So if a tip is a measure of a client. It's not for me

    does a good tip out way the other measures? No way! A good tip is nice but if a client was a pain in the butt all day I'd rather he kept his tip!

    Also what is a fair tip? For me about 10% of the cost of the days trip other times a handshake and a hart felt thanks are enough (this is true when its obvious the guy saved up for years to come to Alaska)

    Whats a good tip? Depends when I guided on the AuSable back in Michigan I had a client from Japan who would show every year and ask for me specifically. He always did well but was not a great fisherman by a long shot. When the trip was over there would be allot of bowing and thanks followed by him very discretely slipping 2 100 dollar bills into my hand! That's a great tip! (at that time a day drift ran $90 - $125depending on the options the client chose)

    Personally I never guided for the money. Working outside in some of the most beautiful places on earth, and seeing the joy on peoples faces and giving them a experience they will never forget was what made it worth while too me. If getting rich was my main concern I would have stayed in the medical profession.

    Just one Alaskans opinion
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    Rick P;

    Why would anyone think you sounded like a "know it all"

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    Another Alaskan's Honest Opinion

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    Default RickP

    I havent taught a woman to fly fish, but 20 something years ago I worked a couple summers as a flight instructor and will agree hands down than women make far better students than men. They listen better, have smaller egos, take contructive criticism better.

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    Bad client= Any man that has fished his whole life in (insert any flat state) and caught more blue gills and small mouth bass than I have ever seen.
    Why= They dont think any young whippersnapper can teach them something about fishing they dont already know.

    Good Client= Any blue haired wife of " bad client"
    Why= They dont know anything about fishing for salmon and know it. They will listen to every word and out fish said "bad client" all day.

    Tip= Extra hundred dollars you receive from good client when she landed kings till she couldnt hold her rod anymore and bad client couldnt land a one because he fought them like crappies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubpilot View Post
    I havent taught a woman to fly fish, but 20 something years ago I worked a couple summers as a flight instructor and will agree hands down than women make far better students than men. They listen better, have smaller egos, take contructive criticism better.

    I have taught a woman to fly fish (my wife and 2 daughters) But I have to disagree. My experience as a drill sergeant demonstrated females are more difficult and challenging to train than males are. I worked 3 years as a U.S. Army Drill Instructor and respectfully disagree with you. From my experience hands down Males are far better students than Females. Females are too emotional, constantly find fault with each other, are physically weaker, and need far more attention and remedial training with basic rifle marksmanship than a male does.

    I always thought, whether its a male or a female I have to provide instruction for, its a leadership issue. Everyone is trainable.
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    Jedimaster
    >>>Everyone is trainable.
    Women are trainable?
    Geez where did I go wrong?

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    Rick P,
    Good to read your reply.

    The concept to me of using a guide is pretty much this. It is not very different from using a tour guide on any other vacation.
    I am not familiar with the area and will be traveling a long distance to get there. I will be there for a short period of time. So I will need someone to show me around and help me make the most of my time there. There is a value in that.
    As a person, a conservationist and a tourist I will respect the people and the area that I am visiting. As a customer if I feel that service was exceptional I will tip accordingly. If the tip is expected it will be a big turn off.
    As a fishing trip, I will be trying to learn as much as I can from the guide. He is the local expert and does this day in day out. I will try to make his day a good and will try to make it as enjoyable as mine.

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