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    Default AKC Retriever Hunt Test rule change proposals

    These are the AKC retriever hunt test rule change proposals submitted by the Retriever Hunting Test Committee (advisory) to Performance Events.

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    Walk Up

    1. Delete the option of a walk up in the junior test.
    2. Require the bird seen on the walk up to be no more than 35-40 yards from the line; have the bird launched from a well hidden location so it is a ‘surprise’; delete the option to have an attention getting device (duck/pheasant call, etc.) from being used prior to the release of the bird, i.e., no attention getting device shall be used on the walk up. The handler may give the ‘sit’ command or blow the ‘sit’ whistle when the bird is seen in the air. This is designed to test the ‘steadiness’ of the dog.

    Gun Safety

    1. Require use of a ‘real’ gun for the line gun and prohibit a ‘fake’ gun of any kind. It may either be ‘deactivated’ (not able to have a shell in it) or a ‘breaking’ gun. If a breaking gun is used, it must be ‘broken’ and cleared by the handler before being handed to the judge or being put down.
    2. Move the paragraph relating to when the handler may put the gun down (page 36) to Chapter 3, Section 8 and inserted as paragraph five (5) of this section-right after the statement of Senior & Master Tests handlers having to shoulder the gun. Too many judges are referencing only the paragraph on page 21 and do not include the option now listed on page 36.

    Honor

    1. Only one dog may be on honor at a time and the honor dog will be required to be stationary.

    Standards for Junior Tests

    1. Require the dog be under control off lead coming to the line but allow the use of a slip cord or holding by hand by a flat buckle collar at the line.
    2. Limit single marks to two per series but don’t limit the number of series.
    3. Delete option of using a ‘handle’ on junior marks and emphasize ‘marking is of primary importance’.
    4. Delete option of walk up in junior test (duplicate from ‘Walk Up’ above).

    Standards for Master Tests

    1. The Master test shall consist of a minimum of two triple retrieve situations and should include an additional element of testing, i.e., walk up, diversion bird/shot, blind, etc. be included with a double set of marks. It should be noted the regulations contain the minimum requirements so additional requirements (honor, diversion bird/shot, blind, etc.) may be included with a double.
    2. No change in ‘yardages’ for marks/blinds; majority of committee wants it to stay the same. It is recognized that the AKC will allow distances that exceed the ‘approx 100 yds’ if the club requests it in its application. If approved, this option of the club shall be prominently displayed in the premium.

    Attention Getting Devices

    1. Any attention getting device used in the field (popper gun, pneumatic tube device, etc.) will require personnel meeting the current AKC requirements to use them.

    Increasing Junior Entries

    1. Change regulations (Chapter 1, Section 3, top of page 3) that currently read: “Clubs that sponsor more than one hunting test in any twelve month period shall be required to offer at least once in any combination, each of the three (3) test levels” and change this to “……more than two hunting tests…”

    Judge’s Qualifications (It is noted the local club has the responsibility to determine if prospective judges meet these qualifications, not the AKC. The AKC simply doesn’t have the resources to accomplish it)

    1. Require judges to judge a minimum of 2 junior test before judging senior and 2 senior test before judging master tests in addition to the current requirements.
    2. Require judges to have handled and qualified a dog at least once at the level they are judging or higher or have titled a dog at the level they are judging.
    3. Require judges to have qualified a dog at the level they are judging or higher within 5 years prior to the judging assignment.
    4. Remove the statement about apprenticing at the level judging or higher.
    5. On the AKC “Judge’s Directory”, delete the word ‘approved’ and replace with the word ‘eligible’. Too many clubs/people feel the word ‘approved’ means the individual has been deemed ‘qualified’ to judge by the AKC when in fact it means that the individual has met the ‘eligibility’ requirements only. It is the club’s responsibility to determine if the individual is ‘qualified’ to judge. (Note: although all on the committee agreed to this, AKC advises me this wording “Approved” is an ‘across the board usage’ and will not be changed. Our option is to spread the word to clubs about the difference in ‘eligible’ and ‘approved’.
    6. List the names & pertinent contact info for individuals who are ‘approved’ to judge in the “Judge’s Directory” even if they haven’t judged yet; this will help clubs find new judges and increase the available pool of judges.
    7. Close the ‘loop hole’ that allows an individual to judge who has never qualified a dog at the level judging or higher and allows for two individuals to judge that don’t have sufficient ‘points’.(see #3)
    8. Require prospective judge’s to submit documentation/certification of their ‘eligibility’ to judge the test they are requested to judge to the club inviting them to judge. It is the club’s responsibility to determine if they are qualified
    9. Recommend the AKC post, on a periodic basis, all rule/regulation changes and related information on a specified site on their website. This would put the responsibility of staying updated on the rules/regulations on judges and other interested parties and reduce the expense of AKC notifying clubs who conduct licensed/sanctioned events covered by the rules/regulation.



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    I don't like that JR dogs wouldn't be allowed to come to the line on lead.

    Am definitely against almost anything that makes getting judges at AKC hunting tests harder. A few years ago there were 48 judges slots statewide for AKC retriever hunting tests per year. We didn't have 48 different people running retriever hunting tests. We've been getting smaller and smaller and it's hard enough now.

    Currently we have 36 AKC retriever hunting test judging slots per year I wonder if we have 36 people running AKC hunt tests in a year. I'm afraid to count.

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    I agree with you, Howard. It seems stupid & counter productive to require junior dogs to go to the line off lead, and people likely won't enter if that is implemented. Furthermore, clubs were not informed of the proposed rule changes in advance so had no chance to discuss them, get feedback from club members & HT entrants, and respond. The judge eligibility changes in implemented will axe our in-state judges pool even further Clubs can't afford to bring up multiple judges from the lower 48 to hold events either -- that's reality. The previous rounds of judge eligibility changes have not made for better judges, impeded building an in-state judges pool even further, so you see the same judges again & again.

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    6 proposals were submitted to AKC's Board of Directors, but we don't know exactly what they are. The October minutes (page 7 http://www.akc.org/pdfs/about/board_minutes/1011.pdf) only state:

    Retriever Hunting Test Advisory Committee Recommendations
    The Board reviewed a request from the Retriever Hunt Test Advisory Committee for six modifications to the Retriever Hunt Test Regulations. Three recommendations are meant to clarify existing Regulations, the fourth recommendation will make the Master level test slightly more difficult, the fifth is meant to attract new participants by allowing clubs to hold more Junior/Senior level tests, and the sixth will increase the judging eligibility requirements. The Performance events department agrees with and has approved these recommendations. This will be discussed further at the November meeting.

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    Was just looking at what was approved.
    Certainly will cull out a lot more previous judges and make them ineligible. Plus make it harder for those interested in becoming judges to be able to do so.

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    Default AKC Nov. Board minutes - info for retriever, pointer & spaniel folks

    Yes, the changes that were approved certainly do that. AKC says they understand it's difficult to achieve the judging requirements in Alaska & are willing to work with clubs to come up with solutions.

    The November Board minutes are online at http://www.akc.org/pdfs/about/board_minutes/1111.pdf Pages 6-7 and 10-13 have the retriever hunt test rule changes, but pages 5-10 list several changes that spaniel & pointer folks should be aware of. I'm not able to copy & paste things here as the formatting gets lost.

    Page 18 has the following:

    Flat-Coated & Curly-Coated Retrievers Eligible to Participate in Spaniel Hunting Tests
    Following a motion by Dr. Garvin, seconded by Dr. Davies, it was VOTED to (unanimously;
    absent Mr. Gladstone, Mr. Goodman), to approve a recommendation for the Curly-Coated
    Retriever and the Flat-Coated Retriever to permit the breeds to be eligible to enter the Spaniel
    Hunting Test program. Titles earned by these breeds in Spaniel Hunting Tests will be
    designated with an “U” (for Upland) to differentiate the title from those earned in Retriever Breed
    Hunting Tests (example: JHU). The proposal permits Specialty clubs from these breeds to apply
    to become licensed to hold Upland Hunting Tests one year following their eligibility to
    participate. This is effective January 1, 2012.

    Boykin Spaniels Eligible for Retriever Hunting Tests
    Following a motion by Dr. Gavin, seconded by Dr. Davies, it was VOTED (unanimously; absent
    Mr. Gladstone and Mr. Goodman), to permit the Boykin Spaniel to be eligible to participate in
    the Retriever Hunting Test program, effective December 1, 2011. Titles earned by Boykin
    Spaniels in Retriever Hunting Tests will be designated with an “R” to differentiate the title from
    those earned in the Spaniel Hunting Test (example: JHR).

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    This was posted elsewhere, but according to AKC's Jerry Mann the rule changes don't disqualify any current judges. The rules regarding judges' qualifications apply to new judges after 2012 ... anyone who is approved for their first actual judging assignment after 1/1/2012. All currently qualified judges are grandfathered in under the old rules. However, I'm not sure about the part that states judges must've qualified a dog at the level they're judging in the past 7 years. Or how club's can verify that someone has actually handled & qualified a dog since handlers don't seem to be in AKC event records. Entry Express lists handler(s), but they often change & not all clubs use EE.

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    Default AKC hunt test changes posted

    Changes to the AKC hunt test rules are posted at http://www.akc.org/pdfs/events/hunti...ns_Nov2011.pdf

    Judge eligibility requirements effective Jan. 1, 2012 are posted at http://www.akc.org/pdfs/events/hunti..._HT_Judges.pdf

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