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    Default Circle hooks for flossing reds

    Finally got bold enough to give it a whirl... circles rigged ala Moffitt for flossing reds.

    Virtually zero foul-hooking

    Hook point does not dull against the rocks

    Deadly effective
    ... with or without the infamous Kenai "rip".

    What more need I say?
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    Good on ya Doc!!
    If it works well it could be worth looking at a regulation change, no?
    At least during red season.

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    Did you loose many fish with these?

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    Circle hooks also work pretty nicely on flies when you're trying to nail that beautiful silver swimming along with throngs of pinks and doing nothing but foul hooking the pinks with standard J hooks. And yes, you do lose more fish with circle hooks than J hooks, but that's why they call it fishing and not catching!

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    What size/brand circle hooks did you use?

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    Gamakatsu straight eye Nautilus Circle 2/0, but you can probabaly go even smaller.

    It must be rigged ala Moffitt with the snelled leader emerging from the bottom of the hook eye (the same side as the hook point)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-gk9-IXTjw

    Will try to post a pic later tonight.
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    cool to see.

    Of course if they went to circle hook only how would all the snaggers catch anything? lol.
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    So, from the posted video the fish is hooked from the outside of the mouth in. Since it was not hooked inside the mouth would it be legal to keep? Hmmm...
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    Quote Originally Posted by spoiled one View Post
    So, from the posted video the fish is hooked from the outside of the mouth in. Since it was not hooked inside the mouth would it be legal to keep? Hmmm...
    Here's an excerpt from an e-mail I received from an ADF&G enforcement specialist in 2009:

    'The term “in the mouth” means inside the mouth. The term “hook” as used in the regulation (5AAC 75.022c) means to pierce or puncture the fish with the point of a fishing hook. Thus, the exact location on the body of the fish where the point of the hook first enters becomes the location where the fish is hooked. This would mean that a fish in fresh water must be hooked, or initially pierced, inside the mouth in order to be legal. A fish hooked or initially pierced from outside the mouth, even if the hook point comes to rest inside the mouth, would not be legal because it was not hooked, or initially pierced, inside the mouth.'

    [Edit: I added the bold to the text. It wasn't bold in the original.]

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    That is what I thought. Bet they still taste great grilled!
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    Quote Originally Posted by spoiled one View Post
    So, from the posted video the fish is hooked from the outside of the mouth in. Since it was not hooked inside the mouth would it be legal to keep? Hmmm...
    Quote Originally Posted by Bibico View Post
    Here's an excerpt from an e-mail I received from an ADF&G enforcement specialist in 2009:

    'The term “in the mouth” means inside the mouth. The term “hook” as used in the regulation (5AAC 75.022c) means to pierce or puncture the fish with the point of a fishing hook. Thus, the exact location on the body of the fish where the point of the hook first enters becomes the location where the fish is hooked. This would mean that a fish in fresh water must be hooked, or initially pierced, inside the mouth in order to be legal. A fish hooked or initially pierced from outside the mouth, even if the hook point comes to rest inside the mouth, would not be legal because it was not hooked, or initially pierced, inside the mouth.'

    [Edit: I added the bold to the text. It wasn't bold in the original.]
    Not gonna argue that's what the law says in black and white, but what's actually enforced afield is a VERY different animal altogether.

    5-6 yrs ago, Lt Bear pledged he and his boys would enforce the literal interpretation of "inside" = hooked from within the mouth. Outside-in hookups would be cited.

    Did NOT happen.

    95%-plus of "legal" fish harvested by the flippers are hooked outside in. If only literal law-abiding anglers were allowed to retain fish, there would be exceedingly few fish harvested with rod/reel. That's the ugly truth.

    Hooking sockeye "outside in" thru the lower jaw or around the maxillary plate virtually eliminates the risk of mortal hooking wounds and the possibility of body snagging a fish.... even if one chooses to rip at the end of every drift.
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    I spent the better part of a week camping/fishing down on the Kasilof two weeks ago. After watching non-English (as well as some English speaking) folks from outside the country foul hook kings while flipping for sockeye and keep every last one of them, and ask "what kind of salmon is this?", I'm convinced the fishing regs are simply there for local folks who actually read them and care enough to abide by them...

    Now that my rant is done, I'd love to see more photos of how to tie up a circle hook via the Moffitt system. I love the idea of not having the hook bangin' away on the rocks constantly. Physician, any good explanation on the big differences between tying that and an egg loop?

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    Too exhausted after a full days work on 3 hrs sleep to post a pic last night.

    If you already know how to tie an egg loop in an up-eye octopus hook, you are golden.

    The only change you have to make for the circle is to take only 2 wraps around the hook (most would take 6-20 wraps depending on how big they want the egg loop) before looping the leader around to make the finishing 5-6 wraps.

    When finished correctly, the hook will intentionally sit off axis with the bend of the circle on the SAME side of the hook eye as the leader.

    Give it a go and let us know how you do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pk_in_ak View Post
    I spent the better part of a week camping/fishing down on the Kasilof two weeks ago. After watching non-English (as well as some English speaking) folks from outside the country foul hook kings while flipping for sockeye and keep every last one of them, and ask "what kind of salmon is this?", I'm convinced the fishing regs are simply there for local folks who actually read them and care enough to abide by them...PK
    completely agree

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    Take a picture with your cell phone and immediately call the troopers. I have done it before and they have responded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fishNphysician View Post
    Gamakatsu straight eye Nautilus Circle 2/0, but you can probabaly go even smaller.

    It must be rigged ala Moffitt with the snelled leader emerging from the bottom of the hook eye (the same side as the hook point)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-gk9-IXTjw

    Will try to post a pic later tonight.
    OK.... a bit negligent on the pic.

    Better late than never....




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    Yep... foul hooked.
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    JFC... so you would turn it loose?
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    What size circle hook would be needed for the gap restriction on the russian? or other rivers? I forget the actual distances but I know there are atleast two different restrictions on hook gaps at different rivers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fishNphysician View Post
    JFC... so you would turn it loose?
    I would (and I have). But I was raised by a Marine drill instructor who believed the law consisted of black or white, with no shades of gray. In that context it is either legal or illegal. If the law says the fish has to be hooked INSIDE the mouth, then this fish should be released. If, in the end, your only goal it to return home with fish for the freezer, then some would have no problem keeping a fish like this. But if you're conscientious about the law and ethical considerations, a retained fish becomes a secondary consideration to doing it "right". A man like that would be at least uncomfortable keeping a foul-hooked fish such as this one.

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