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    Spent seven tides on the Kasilof. Starting Sunday 10th only 13 fish. Worst management Plan ever. In 15 years never had to fish more than 3 tides to get limit at 55 fish. Two nets about five hours a tide is 90 man hours for 13 fish return, epic Fail Alaska department of Fish and Game, And board of fish. Noticed that the Commercial Boats are doing ok. Must be because they have a better Lobbing Firm!!! So much for management for Subsistance like is required by Constitution,

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    If you fish for them they will come. Looking at the OTF should see fish any day now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by REMF View Post
    If you fish for them they will come. Looking at the OTF should see fish any day now.
    That's the spirit, bro!




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    Source: http://www.adfg.alaska.gov/index.cfm...etsummary#cook

    Cook Inlet: Upper Cook Inlet (UCI)
    All commercial fisheries in Upper Cook Inlet are now underway, except for set gillnetting in the Kenai and E. Forelands Sections, which do not open until July 11. Regular periods are Mondays and Thursdays from 7 am to 7 pm.
    The set gillnet fishery in the Kasilof Section is limited to no more than 48-hours of additional fishing time beyond the regular periods per week (Sat – Sun). From June 26-July 2, 40 of the 48 hours were used. From July 3-9, it is estimated that 45 hours will likely be used. There also is a mandatory 36-hour closed fishing “window” each week that starts sometime between 7 p.m. on Thursdays and 7 a.m. on Fridays.

    As of Sunday, July 3, fishing with set gillnets in the Western Subdistrict south of Redoubt Point was open to 24-hour a day fishing in order to reduce the rate of escapement of sockeye salmon into Crescent Lake.
    The cumulative sockeye salmon escapement in the Kasilof River is estimated at 96,000 fish through Wednesday, July 6. The previous 10-year average total escapement through this date is also 110,000 fish. Crescent River sockeye salmon escapements on the west side of Cook Inlet through July 6 are at 23,000 fish – the previous 10-year average escapement through June 29 is 27,000 fish. The Kenai River cumulative escapement through July 6 is 21,000 while the previous 10-year average for this date is 44,000 fish.

    On Monday, July 4, approximately 330 drift gillnet vessels reported fishing. The average number of boats from the previous 10-years for this fishing period is approximately 260. That said, many boats are likely to fish with dual permits this year in UCI, so it is unknown at this time how many of the 330 boats fished as dual “D” boats.
    On Monday, July 4, approximately 330 drift gillnet vessels caught approximately 100 sockeye salmon per boat. The average number of boats from the previous 10-years for this fishing period was approximately 260 catching about 215 sockeye salmon per boat. Thus, participation is up so far this year. However, although catches for the July 4 period were down, the total catch for the drift fleet in 2011 is very close to the previous 10-yr average. Conversely, set gillnet catches through July 4 are only about half of the previous 10-year average.

    It is still very early in the season though to say very much about the 2011 sockeye salmon run in UCI. But, it does not appear to be following the trend of many other runs in SC Alaska, that being an early strong showing of fish.

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    Uh, that is why it is called fishing...it is not guaranteed that you will get fish. Is it for sure due to miss-management and not perhaps that the run is late?

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    Every year, people seem to forget the historical data.

    The big wave is due sometime in the next three or four days and the fishing will pick up big time. If they do not show by the middle of next week, then you can start to worry.


    Anyone remember a few years ago when the fish were really late and they shut down dipping completely?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gr8fl View Post
    That's the spirit, bro!




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    Where do you get this OTF data???

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    Quote Originally Posted by charliemike View Post
    Spent seven tides on the Kasilof. Starting Sunday 10th only 13 fish. Worst management Plan ever. In 15 years never had to fish more than 3 tides to get limit at 55 fish. Two nets about five hours a tide is 90 man hours for 13 fish return, epic Fail Alaska department of Fish and Game, And board of fish. Noticed that the Commercial Boats are doing ok. Must be because they have a better Lobbing Firm!!! So much for management for Subsistance like is required by Constitution,
    Could not disagree more. A little premature to blame ADFG with what very well is a late run. Sounds like you've been here a while... and I bet you've seen your share of late runs over the years. I'ld like to see you comment after the run is over and the influx happened right after you left the river.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bilder View Post
    Every year, people seem to forget the historical data.



    Anyone remember a few years ago when the fish were really late and they shut down dipping completely?
    Yes, and later that year in August if I remember correctly they doubled the fishing limit.
    Got a few of it down

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    Quote Originally Posted by iusckeeper View Post
    Where do you get this OTF data???
    OTF Data page can be found here:

    http://www.adfg.alaska.gov/index.cfm...lmon#/research

    Commercial salmon harvest timing charts can be found here:

    http://www.adfg.alaska.gov/index.cfm...harvest_charts


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    Quote Originally Posted by REMF View Post
    If you fish for them they will come. Looking at the OTF should see fish any day now.
    This.

    OTF over 300 two days ago...that's pretty freakin' high. They're coming, just gotta time it right.

    Trust me. I know. I've yet to time it right...

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    Quote Originally Posted by coho slayer View Post
    This.

    OTF over 300 two days ago...that's pretty freakin' high. They're coming, just gotta time it right.

    Trust me. I know. I've yet to time it right...
    And when you finally do time it right you feel like the finest fisherman on the river. It's a hell of a feeling to pull up 15 fish an hour, much better than a fish every 15 hours. Been there for both. They will come, will you be there when they do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by charliemike View Post
    epic Fail Alaska department of Fish and Game, And board of fish. Noticed that the Commercial Boats are doing ok. Must be because they have a better Lobbing Firm!!!

    Epic fail, charliemike, to time your fishing trip well. Nothing more.

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    Why would anyone spend that much time dipnetting without catching fish? You could have swung around to Seward and caught a whole lot more than that on a rod and reel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullelkklr View Post
    Why would anyone spend that much time dipnetting without catching fish? You could have swung around to Seward and caught a whole lot more than that on a rod and reel.
    LOL, sounds like he really planned to have this kind of outcome with the amount of time he was able to spend there. Sounds like his worries became a reality.

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    Do you have a link for where you're getting this detailed info? I haven't been able to find it on the website this year.

    Quote Originally Posted by gr8fl View Post
    That's the spirit, bro!




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    Quote Originally Posted by Boreal View Post
    And when you finally do time it right you feel like the finest fisherman on the river. It's a hell of a feeling to pull up 15 fish an hour, much better than a fish every 15 hours. Been there for both. They will come, will you be there when they do?
    Even more fun is throwing 22 reds in the boat in a single drift!! We hit em good last year one afternoon. Hoping to do the same next Tuesday.

    One secret I'll let everyone in on. Based on the management plan this year, there will be NO COMMERCIAL FISHING next TUESDAY. Mandatory 24 hour closures on Tuesday through July 20. Next tuesday is the 19th. Book it!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDipper View Post
    Do you have a link for where you're getting this detailed info? I haven't been able to find it on the website this year.
    Quote Originally Posted by gr8fl View Post
    OTF Data page can be found here:

    http://www.adfg.alaska.gov/index.cfm...lmon#/research

    Commercial salmon harvest timing charts can be found here:

    http://www.adfg.alaska.gov/index.cfm...harvest_charts


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    Once again, here you go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gr8fl View Post
    Once again, here you go.
    Thanks. And also, thanks for not ripping me a new one for being blind my first time through the page.

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    Another commercial opener on Saturday. Looks like the comm boys are having a good year. Don't worry, we dippers will get some too. Just have to wait it out.




    2011 News Release #UCI No. 13

    Title: Upper Subdistrict Set Gillnet & Expanded Ken/Kas Sections Drift Gillnet Fishing Period
    Publication Date: 7/15/11 4:30 PM

    Location: Central Region-Cook Inlet-Upper Cook Inlet .
    Species Group: Salmon .
    Gear Type: Gillnet .
    Activity: Commercial Fishing .


    Internet Link: http://www.adfg.alaska.gov/static/ho...f/42426394.pdf .

    News Release Content:
    Upper Cook Inlet Commercial Fishing Announcement No. 13 opens set gillnetting in the Kenai, Kasilof, and East Forelands Sections of the Upper Subdistrict from 7:00 a.m. until 10:00 p.m. on Saturday, July 16, 2011.

    Drift gillnetting will be opened in the Expanded Kenai and Expanded Kasilof Sections of the Upper Subdistrict from 7:00 a.m. until 10:00 p.m. on Saturday, July 16, 2011.

    The offshore test fishery went from 227 on July 9, which was just above the historic low (119) to a cumulative index of 1,369 through July 14, which is just below the historic record (1,433). The OTF index today (July 15) is expected to be greater than 300. Including today, the number of days the OTF index has been over 100 is now seven, which has never occurred since the inception of the test fishery in 1979. In order to harvest this surplus of fish, fishing time in the above-described areas is warranted.
    Just a bitter Alaskan clinging to his guns and religion.....

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