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    Default Kenai dipnetting help...need a boat

    I threw this out last year, and had a couple of offers but things never worked out.

    I am looking for someone with a boat that might be willing to help me get the freezers and smoker filled. I can help with gas, I've been around boats all of my life so I can do pretty much whatever needs to be done...we can take turns dipping and make it a mutually helpful situation.

    Anyone with a boat that is looking for a partner or is just willing to take an extra person or two, let me know. My schedule is currently fairly flexible and looks like it'll stay that way. I'm looking for 30-40 fish, not my entire 55 fish limit. I don't need that much.

    Thanks!

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    I would help you but my schedule is going to put me on the slope from July12th through the 26th this year kinda the same as last year.
    If it doesn't work out that you find someone I may be willing to go between July 27th and the 30th.
    I dip with a 20' lund Alaskan with a 50hp Johnson 4 stroke .
    We run 2- 4'diameter short handled dipnets off of each side and usually do pretty well. One guy just runs the boat while 2 other people do the dipping. It's safe and effective that way.
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    Thanks, Chris. I'll definitely keep you in mind. It'll be like last year...just kind of winging things and seeing what works out and what doesn't....lol.

    Sounds like a good system, though. We'll see what happens.

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    The thing is, you don't need a boat to dip the Kenai. I've dipped it for the past 10 years, and so long as I show up when the fish are in, I'll get 30-65 in 2-3 hours dipping from the shore.

    I debated bringing my boat down, but when I've heard how much time people have to wait in line to launch and retrieve, and the bumper boat action, I figured forget it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul H View Post
    The thing is, you don't need a boat to dip the Kenai. I've dipped it for the past 10 years, and so long as I show up when the fish are in, I'll get 30-65 in 2-3 hours dipping from the shore.

    I debated bringing my boat down, but when I've heard how much time people have to wait in line to launch and retrieve, and the bumper boat action, I figured forget it.
    That's my problem...I just can't seem to time things right. I've done the shore thing almost every year for about 10 years and have never gotten more than 6 fish. I almost always get wet and cold. You basically have to be there when a good tide happens, or you're just out of luck. I have a flexible schedule...I can get there within about 8 hours....but I can't stay long. The beach goers that have the most success are the ones that camp out until they get what they want. I just don't have the time to do that.

    That's the main reason I started doing the Copper. It's a longer drive, but I have always gotten enough to make the trip worth it.

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    I've nailed them from the beach and done poorly a couple of times as well. It's no different from a boat, however. Last year on a boat we did mediocre. We left with fish, but we put in a lot of time for what we got and the majority of the catch came within a few hot hours - no different than the beach. The common thread on my successful beach trips is that we went before word spread that it was hot. Three times we caught the first really good day of fishing. The folks that came down the next day once word started spreading had dismal fishing, whereas we caught 40-60 fish each in only a few hours. I've never bothered to camp when doing the beach gig - just picked a day around the 14th or 15th and hoped for the best. The beach can be every bit as good as a boat, but there certainly are nice things about each.

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    Default I've got arrangements, just might not be there.

    Yeah Coho: I've been offered a real boat to use (besides the WaveEater) and plan on the third week of July. You're welcome to come along. Here's the catch (or non-catch): I am currently out-of-state dealing with some difficulties and may or may not make it back. Do you still have my cell?


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    I did a boat once and it was hot. That said I think I prefer shore dipping. Less hassle. Like Brian said when its hot everyone does well and when its not no one does. Course this from someone who doesn't have a boat. I used to scuba with a wet suit and thouhgt dry suits were overated...then I got a dry suit...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TR View Post
    I did a boat once and it was hot. That said I think I prefer shore dipping. Less hassle. Like Brian said when its hot everyone does well and when its not no one does. Course this from someone who doesn't have a boat. I used to scuba with a wet suit and thouhgt dry suits were overated...then I got a dry suit...
    I agree, plus you meet really great people on the beach.

    Last year I made new friends with a group that just happened to be at all the spots I dip at, at the time I dip them. (Basically, WHERE the fish are, depending on what the tide is doing) and I plan to dip with them this next year too. Plus a buddy and his kid, plus my kids... its one big get together and even when crowded, 99.99999999 per cent of the people are just wonderful.

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    Wow, all good responses. I appreciate it.

    I guess I've just yet to have any luck at the Kenai...lol. It's always been dismal. I hear about the "oh, you should have been here yesterday...." stuff every summer, though.

    There is no doubt there's also a sense of community on the beach, which is generally nice (although like any community there's always a trouble-maker). I dunno, we'll see what happens. Even having an experienced beach person along might help...I always just randomly pick a spot in the line. I have no real idea what would make one spot any better than any other, which may be part of my problem.

    gr8fl...I do still have your number. I'll check in with you in a couple of weeks about your availability. Hope things are alright.

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    If you get an opportunity on a boat try it. Maybe it will be your good luck charm. Its really all about timing. Your net in the water when the slug goes through. For me that's about 20% of the trips I make. Sure, I look at all the methods of predication but I'm really only in control of when I can be there and hope that's when the fish are too. One thing that is certain, when your hear its hot, its too late to go.

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    Default Kenai Weekend Incoming Tides

    Bold red underlined tides are incoming. Kenai open 6am to 11pm, July 10-July 31.

    07/09/2011 Sat 05:54AM LDT 2.0 L 11:48AM LDT 16.4 H 05:55PM LDT 4.5 L 11:50PM LDT 20.1 H
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    07/13/2011 Wed 03:04AM LDT 21.2 H 10:16AM LDT -1.8 L 04:25PM LDT 19.6 H 10:19PM LDT 3.7 L
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    07/22/2011 Fri 03:56AM LDT 4.3 L 09:35AM LDT 16.3 H03:49PM LDT 5.1 L 09:49PM LDT 18.3 H
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    07/26/2011 Tue 12:44AM LDT 17.4 H 08:26AM LDT 3.7 L 02:39PM LDT 15.5 H 08:16PM LDT 7.8 L
    07/27/2011 Wed 01:51AM LDT 18.2 H 09:19AM LDT 2.2 L 03:30PM LDT 16.9 H 09:15PM LDT 6.7 L
    07/28/2011 Thu 02:48AM LDT 19.4 H 10:03AM LDT 0.6 L 04:11PM LDT 18.4 H 10:04PM LDT 5.3 L
    07/29/2011 Fri 03:38AM LDT 20.8 H 10:42AM LDT -1.0 L 04:47PM LDT 19.9 H 10:48PM LDT 3.8 L
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    If you had only one weekend to go, the 22nd-24th will provide you with 6 incoming tides during the open hours. Historical peaks 2003-2009 are shown below:


    If you can go during the week, avoid Monday and Thursday comm openers.


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    One thing I have noticed is it is more enjoyable FOR ME from a boat.
    I just don't like the crowds on the beach. Sure it gets crowded with all the boats but I am not shoulder to shoulder with these other people we have a little more room.
    Being as we have a designated driver who does not dip or handle any gear it usually goes pretty smooth for us.
    The driver watches out for other boats and hazards and has so far(knock on wood) been able to steer us away from any real danger be it large boat wakes ,careless boaters,rocks ,mooring buoys etc. etc.
    Also the driver is watching who is catching what and in what zone they are catching them. This way they can steer us into slugs of fish as they come in. If other boats ahead of us catch some fish 15' further out the driver steers us that way if/when possible.If they seem to be catching them shallow we are steered in that direction.
    Sometimes one side of the river seems slow so we switch sides on the next run. If one area has too many rocks and such the driver will avoid that area on subsequent runs.
    we like to power down river. This means as the tide switches from outgoing to incoming we speed up the boat so we are traveling downstream just as fast on the incoming as we were on the outgoing and that has helped us catch more than the other boats around us. It can be a pain at times to pass the slower boats but definetly puts more fish in the coolers for us.
    If we can we go midweek witch limits the number of boats at the ramp. Last time we went it was maybe a 10 minute wait.
    The year before that we launched at Eagle rock and avoided the city dock altogether. A few minutes extra run time but it was well worth it as those at the city dock had a 2 hour wait on each end and we had a 15-20 minute boat ride to/from to Eagle rock.
    Coolers get left in the boat until we get home no dragging them around. I have a water hose and cutting board available at the house so no filleting on the beach and getting sand on the fish.
    There may be some great people on the beach but I know for a fact there are some great people in the boat I am in. The seats are comfortable and with the net tied off my Mikes Welding dipnets can be held in place while dipping with just one finger. I know I tried it with one finger. Wouldn't work when a fish hits the net but my point is that boat dipping isn't too hard physically.
    You guys can have your beach dipping I will keep dipping from a boat it works FOR ME.
    one day coho slayer will hit it just right and see how fun and productive dipping on the Kenai can really be.
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    I started launching at the pillars last year and will probably do that from now on. I've hit the timing pretty good when i have launched at the Kenai mouth, but also been there when its clear out to bridge access rd. I dipped from the shore at Kenai and Kasilof since I was a little boy and started from a boat about 4 years ago. I absolutely prefer the boat now. I am the designated captain but I enjoy watching people catch. I dont mind the other boats, I try to pick a empty slot away from the mass When it's hot, its unreal how many fish we can catch in an hour. Last year was only out for 1.5 hour and had 87 fish.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TR View Post
    One thing that is certain, when your hear its hot, its too late to go.
    Currently working on my next project: the "Should Have Been Here Yesterday Predictive Fishometer".


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    Quote Originally Posted by gr8fl View Post
    Currently working on my next project: the "Should Have Been Here Yesterday Predictive Fishometer".


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    You come up with that formula, I hope you don't toss the data around for free...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TR View Post
    You come up with that formula, I hope you don't toss the data around for free...
    Yeah, well this is a tough one. No matter how I crunch the numbers, it always says I shoulda been there yesterday.


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    The tough thing, as mentioned is that the sonar count tells you when you should have gone. The tip a friend gave me the first time I dipped the Kenai is to watch the sonar, and as soon as you see it hit 10k, head down the following day. Also start your fishing 2-3 hours after a high tide. You'll be past the peak, but the fishing will still be good. Once that tip bit me, well the blip wasn't quite 10k, more like 5k, and the run hadn't started, so I spent six hours to get one red and a couple of flounders. But every other time that technique has accounted for 30-65 fish in 2-3 hours of netting. It makes for a long day trip, and my kids help with bonking, gutting, heading and icing the fish.



    I do wear a wetsuit and float out a bit beyond those doing the Kenai Shuffle. Sometimes floating whoops on those doing the shuffle, I've had 6 in the net, and other times people doing the shuffle are pulling in fish left and right, and I come in empty.
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    I'm pretty sure I had you drifting in front of my net a couple of years ago on the south beach.

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    I don't mean that in a bad way. Just read that and it sounded annoyed...lol. My wife was annoyed at me for being on the computer when dinner was ready so I was trying to hurry.

    Anyway, you (or whoever was floating in the wetsuit) were outfishing the shore dippers about 10:1. I think I got 4 all day and it seemed like you got at least one every time you went by. Maybe I should do that, although on the same trip I did see a salmon shark surface not far at all from where you were drifting.......

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